mwkaufma 7 hours ago

(sound of a rubber balloon straining under high pressure)

  • dude250711 6 hours ago

    Could it not deflate slightly and just be a sizable but limp sort of a balloon?

    • bluefirebrand 6 hours ago

      Possibly could, but investors chase trends so when the sell off starts it very often becomes an avalanche

      • jondwillis an hour ago

        wet flapping sound of a balloon emptying quickly but not too toooo quickly?

jgalt212 4 hours ago

The distance between OpenAI and its competitors has been shrinking for years (and across some metrics is now negative), yet the price keeps going on up. And I cannot figure out Thrive. Weren't they an early investor, yet they keep chasing the price higher?

xnx 6 hours ago

OpenAI is definitely a bubble, AI as a technology is not.

  • bhhaskin 4 hours ago

    AI isn't, but we don't have AI. We have LLM and ML.

    • impossiblefork 3 hours ago

      Surely we can say that we have artificial intelligence. Even now reasoning models are able to pattern match well enough to solve IQ tests that have been turned into text for them.

      But we can certainly say that we don't have artificial intelligences. There's nothing with coherent, total beliefs, something able to have actual knowledge (as a pet example I like, if you ask an LLM about a situation in the abstract it might respond correctly, but in another context it fails to use what it 'knows' in another context). I actually think much can be done about this, but we don't have it.

      • tenuousemphasis 2 hours ago

        No, because reasoning models don't actually reason.

        • impossiblefork 2 hours ago

          They generate non-output tokens that help correct generation. It is meaningful to call that reasoning.

          After all, it can, with whatever secret tricks Google and OpenAI have, be used to solve IMO level maths problems.

          If solving IMO problems can be done without reasoning, then what would be reasoning?

  • blairbeckwith 6 hours ago

    If AI as a technology is not a bubble, why would the by-far-far-far most popular consumer technology leveraging that technology be a bubble?

    • l1tany11 5 hours ago

      Because people think the progress shown with gpt5 is unimpressive. Meanwhile Claude is very successful, Grok has come out of nowhere and according to some benchmarks matches or exceeds gpt5 slightly. Meaning openai might not be THE horse to bet on. Doesn’t mean there isn’t a race going on with the potential for a big prize at the end, even at current valuations. Only time will tell! As per usual!

      • blairbeckwith 5 hours ago

        But that's just ... Not what a bubble is. A market leader having viable competitors doesn't make them any less of a market leader, and doesn't make them "a bubble".

  • checker659 4 hours ago

    Does the economics of AI hold up?